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		<title>By: The Content of Barack Obama&#8217;s Character &#171; Cronk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Content of Barack Obama&#8217;s Character &#171; Cronk</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] prices to skyrocket&#8221;, but hey, it&#8217;s all in the name of saving the planet from the global warming that hasn&#8217;t been happening since 1998, etc. but after his support of baby killing in the name [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rcronk</title>
		<link>http://rcronk.wordpress.com/2007/04/02/i-think-the-global-warming-agenda-is-socialism-in-action/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>rcronk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 22:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done some poking around and I&#039;ll agree that Durkin does seem to be less trustworthy than I had originally assumed.  My bad.  And I agree that there are some errors and fudging that went on in the documentary.  Shame on them.

The overall general premise still needs to be addressed - ad hominem attacks aside - and there are still conflicting data out there.

For example, the 2004 &quot;1000-year high in sun activity&quot; article goes against the graph you linked to that showed a correction in the past 10 years of sunspot activity.  That graph showed higher levels in the 1930&#039;s and 1940&#039;s.  So, is the 1000-year high article going off the bad graph data?  Probably not since that graph appears to end around 1990 and the article was from 2004.  Do you have any other data about this anomaly.

I believe in conservation and taking care of the environment but we need to be doing it for the right reasons.  Assuming human produced CO2 is causing global warming (which, since CO2 trails temperature changes, seems to be false) is a huge assumption with huge consequences and handing large amounts of power to globalist elites.  If it&#039;s true, then, sure - we need to do something about it - but it doesn&#039;t seem true yet.  Oceans, volcanoes, and rotting leaves give off more CO2 than humans yet we talk about reducing our CO2 emissions.

My left eye for an unbiased objective gathering of all of this data into a peer reviewed and challenged and corrected report.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what we have with the UN &quot;consensus&quot; report.  Consensus told us the world was flat a long time ago and it ended up being wrong.  Skepticism is what will bring us to the truth.

I want people to be on both sides of this issue, checking each other&#039;s data and conclusions.  We&#039;ll more likely get to the truth that way.  Thanks for the additional views and data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done some poking around and I&#8217;ll agree that Durkin does seem to be less trustworthy than I had originally assumed.  My bad.  And I agree that there are some errors and fudging that went on in the documentary.  Shame on them.</p>
<p>The overall general premise still needs to be addressed &#8211; ad hominem attacks aside &#8211; and there are still conflicting data out there.</p>
<p>For example, the 2004 &#8220;1000-year high in sun activity&#8221; article goes against the graph you linked to that showed a correction in the past 10 years of sunspot activity.  That graph showed higher levels in the 1930&#8217;s and 1940&#8217;s.  So, is the 1000-year high article going off the bad graph data?  Probably not since that graph appears to end around 1990 and the article was from 2004.  Do you have any other data about this anomaly.</p>
<p>I believe in conservation and taking care of the environment but we need to be doing it for the right reasons.  Assuming human produced CO2 is causing global warming (which, since CO2 trails temperature changes, seems to be false) is a huge assumption with huge consequences and handing large amounts of power to globalist elites.  If it&#8217;s true, then, sure &#8211; we need to do something about it &#8211; but it doesn&#8217;t seem true yet.  Oceans, volcanoes, and rotting leaves give off more CO2 than humans yet we talk about reducing our CO2 emissions.</p>
<p>My left eye for an unbiased objective gathering of all of this data into a peer reviewed and challenged and corrected report.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what we have with the UN &#8220;consensus&#8221; report.  Consensus told us the world was flat a long time ago and it ended up being wrong.  Skepticism is what will bring us to the truth.</p>
<p>I want people to be on both sides of this issue, checking each other&#8217;s data and conclusions.  We&#8217;ll more likely get to the truth that way.  Thanks for the additional views and data.</p>
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		<title>By: rcronk</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcronk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sven - I agree that things were warming before 1998 - everybody agrees on that.  The thing they don&#039;t agree on is the main cause of it.  I think it&#039;s the sun since other planets are warming also, sunspot activity has been increasing for 100 years (except between 1940-1980) and is currently at a 1000-year high - and CO2 trails temperatures by 800 years.  What do you think of those details?  Do you have explanations for these conflicts?

greyflcn - Thanks for all of the links.  I&#039;ll go check them all out and reply soon.

My views can change - I&#039;m not 100% sure of what the source of global warming is yet.  My article expresses where I&#039;m currently leaning.  I appreciate other points of view to help me see a larger part of the picture.  Thanks.

In fact, I&#039;d like the &quot;Global Warming Swindle&quot; folks to hook up with those who think it&#039;s humans causing it and let them politely debate and work through the details so we can get closer to the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sven &#8211; I agree that things were warming before 1998 &#8211; everybody agrees on that.  The thing they don&#8217;t agree on is the main cause of it.  I think it&#8217;s the sun since other planets are warming also, sunspot activity has been increasing for 100 years (except between 1940-1980) and is currently at a 1000-year high &#8211; and CO2 trails temperatures by 800 years.  What do you think of those details?  Do you have explanations for these conflicts?</p>
<p>greyflcn &#8211; Thanks for all of the links.  I&#8217;ll go check them all out and reply soon.</p>
<p>My views can change &#8211; I&#8217;m not 100% sure of what the source of global warming is yet.  My article expresses where I&#8217;m currently leaning.  I appreciate other points of view to help me see a larger part of the picture.  Thanks.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;d like the &#8220;Global Warming Swindle&#8221; folks to hook up with those who think it&#8217;s humans causing it and let them politely debate and work through the details so we can get closer to the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: greyflcn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think not.

First off the producer of &quot;The Great Global Warming Swindle&quot; is a known Marxist, and a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party.
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;q=martin+durkin+revolutionary+communist+party

Furthermore the concept of manmade global warming it&#039;s attacked vehemently by Lyndon Larouche, another well known Communist.
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;q=larouche+communist
_

But more so, when you look at the evidence.

1. Mars is warming, but NASA proved it&#039;s merely planetwide duststorms changing the reflectivity (i.e. albedo) of the planet.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264082,00.html

3. The concept of hotter periods was proven wrong due to faulty science:
http://www.greyfalcon.net/hockey.png
http://www.greyfalcon.net/moberg.png

2. In most cases warming is caused primarily by changes in solar output. Yes.
5. The sunspots correlates very well, up until the past few decades. Then something weird happened.
The temperature went up, but the solar activity stayed practically flat.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png
http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar2.png

As mentioned in your own linked article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3869753.stm
&quot;Over the past 20 years, however, the number of sunspots has remained roughly constant, yet the average temperature of the Earth has continued to increase.&quot;

6. And even Martin Durkin agrees that we&#039;re the ones causing the rise in CO2 levels.  (Even though he tried to confuse that point in the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtNdVDom0GU

7. If you think capitalist heavyweights aren&#039;t supporting CO2 regulation, you&#039;d be wrong.
Virtually every tech company, pension fund, or venture capital firm wants this to happen.

Hell, even almost every major oil company asside from Exxon
http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/10/news/companies/pluggedin_gunther_conocophillips.fortune/index.htm
http://www.greenbiz.com/news/news_third.cfm?NewsID=26765

8. If you won&#039;t listen to Democrats, then how about Newt Gingrich?  Republican Former Senate Majoriety Leader.
The guy who got the Republican congress majoriety to happen in the 1990s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upphPTRr_PE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y72tmvKGLzQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think not.</p>
<p>First off the producer of &#8220;The Great Global Warming Swindle&#8221; is a known Marxist, and a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party.<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;q=martin+durkin+revolutionary+communist+party" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;q=martin+durkin+revolutionary+communist+party</a></p>
<p>Furthermore the concept of manmade global warming it&#8217;s attacked vehemently by Lyndon Larouche, another well known Communist.<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;q=larouche+communist" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;q=larouche+communist</a><br />
_</p>
<p>But more so, when you look at the evidence.</p>
<p>1. Mars is warming, but NASA proved it&#8217;s merely planetwide duststorms changing the reflectivity (i.e. albedo) of the planet.<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264082,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264082,00.html</a></p>
<p>3. The concept of hotter periods was proven wrong due to faulty science:<br />
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/hockey.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/hockey.png</a><br />
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/moberg.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/moberg.png</a></p>
<p>2. In most cases warming is caused primarily by changes in solar output. Yes.<br />
5. The sunspots correlates very well, up until the past few decades. Then something weird happened.<br />
The temperature went up, but the solar activity stayed practically flat.<br />
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png</a><br />
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar2.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar2.png</a></p>
<p>As mentioned in your own linked article:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3869753.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3869753.stm</a><br />
&#8220;Over the past 20 years, however, the number of sunspots has remained roughly constant, yet the average temperature of the Earth has continued to increase.&#8221;</p>
<p>6. And even Martin Durkin agrees that we&#8217;re the ones causing the rise in CO2 levels.  (Even though he tried to confuse that point in the video)<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtNdVDom0GU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtNdVDom0GU</a></p>
<p>7. If you think capitalist heavyweights aren&#8217;t supporting CO2 regulation, you&#8217;d be wrong.<br />
Virtually every tech company, pension fund, or venture capital firm wants this to happen.</p>
<p>Hell, even almost every major oil company asside from Exxon<br />
<a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/10/news/companies/pluggedin_gunther_conocophillips.fortune/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/10/news/companies/pluggedin_gunther_conocophillips.fortune/index.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.greenbiz.com/news/news_third.cfm?NewsID=26765" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenbiz.com/news/news_third.cfm?NewsID=26765</a></p>
<p>8. If you won&#8217;t listen to Democrats, then how about Newt Gingrich?  Republican Former Senate Majoriety Leader.<br />
The guy who got the Republican congress majoriety to happen in the 1990s.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upphPTRr_PE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upphPTRr_PE</a><br />
<span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://rcronk.wordpress.com/2007/04/02/i-think-the-global-warming-agenda-is-socialism-in-action/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/y72tmvKGLzQ/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sven</title>
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		<dc:creator>sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EDIT:

If you truly believe that global warming is a hoax, then I urge you to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://gristmill.grist.org/print/2006/11/11/23656/027?show_comments=no&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this.&lt;/a&gt;  There are highly accredited scientific organizations from around the globe that do not dispute the science here.

As far as the argument that the sun is the cause of our global warming, I offer this rebuttal:  If the sun is causing our warming, then why are not ALL of the planets warming.  Also, there is little &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gem&lt;/a&gt; I believe you should look at.  

On Earth, we have poles melting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig2-1.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;surface temperature rising&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tropospheric temperatures rising&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18725124.500&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;permafrost melting&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;glaciers worldwide melting&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Global_Carbon_Emission_by_Type.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CO2 concentrations increasing&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/pollack.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;borehole analysis showing warming&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928_trendscontinue.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sea ice receding&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;proxy reconstructions showing warming&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://sealevel.colorado.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sea level rising&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sea surface temperatures rising&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.earthinstitute.columbia.edu/news/2005/story04-28-05.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;energy imbalance&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://cires.colorado.edu/science/groups/steffen/greenland/melt2005/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ice sheets melting&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/msusci.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stratospheric cooling&lt;/a&gt;, all of which leads us to believe the earth is undergoing global warming driven by an enhanced greenhouse effect.

One Mars we have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/CO2_Science_rel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one spot melting&lt;/a&gt;, which leads us to believe that ... one spot is melting.

Forgive me for not being reassured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EDIT:</p>
<p>If you truly believe that global warming is a hoax, then I urge you to read <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/print/2006/11/11/23656/027?show_comments=no" rel="nofollow">this.</a>  There are highly accredited scientific organizations from around the globe that do not dispute the science here.</p>
<p>As far as the argument that the sun is the cause of our global warming, I offer this rebuttal:  If the sun is causing our warming, then why are not ALL of the planets warming.  Also, there is little <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png" rel="nofollow">gem</a> I believe you should look at.  </p>
<p>On Earth, we have poles melting, <a href="http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig2-1.htm" rel="nofollow">surface temperature rising</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements" rel="nofollow">tropospheric temperatures rising</a>, <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18725124.500" rel="nofollow">permafrost melting</a>, <a href="http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html" rel="nofollow">glaciers worldwide melting</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Global_Carbon_Emission_by_Type.png" rel="nofollow">CO2 concentrations increasing</a>, <a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/pollack.html" rel="nofollow">borehole analysis showing warming</a>, <a href="http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928_trendscontinue.html" rel="nofollow">sea ice receding</a>, <a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html" rel="nofollow">proxy reconstructions showing warming</a>, <a href="http://sealevel.colorado.edu/" rel="nofollow">sea level rising</a>, <a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/" rel="nofollow">sea surface temperatures rising</a>, <a href="http://www.earthinstitute.columbia.edu/news/2005/story04-28-05.html" rel="nofollow">energy imbalance</a>, <a href="http://cires.colorado.edu/science/groups/steffen/greenland/melt2005/" rel="nofollow">ice sheets melting</a>, and <a href="http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/msusci.html" rel="nofollow">stratospheric cooling</a>, all of which leads us to believe the earth is undergoing global warming driven by an enhanced greenhouse effect.</p>
<p>One Mars we have <a href="http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/CO2_Science_rel/" rel="nofollow">one spot melting</a>, which leads us to believe that &#8230; one spot is melting.</p>
<p>Forgive me for not being reassured.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cronk -- You&#039;re &quot;right as rain&quot; as they say on the farm.  Thanks for posting at Bob McCarty Writes™. -- Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cronk &#8212; You&#8217;re &#8220;right as rain&#8221; as they say on the farm.  Thanks for posting at Bob McCarty Writes™. &#8212; Bob</p>
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